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  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 15:25

    World Food Crisis

    I am surprised no one has posted all the talk by the World Bank and IMF about the impending food crisis, some would say current food crisis.  Gets little press here, but makes the front page of the BBC website 5 of the last 7 days.  Our PBS network ran a piece Friday night finally, one hour on Bill Moyers Journal about the high cost of food and how it is hitting poor Americans, and how warped our farm bill is.  They are still trying to write our new farm law without much success, farm payments got a blackeye from Moyers, but I have to say that 85% of what he had to say was pretty accurate, the thing he left out is our inputs are rising as well, and he forgot to mention all the years we have produced food below the cost of production. 

    The show pegged the number of Americans needing food assistance at 35 million, sad I think a nation that puts men on the moon can't feed everyone and give all of us adequate health care.  The number worldwide keeps being shown at around the 850 million mark.  So, what is going to be done about it?  We had a hard freeze last night, and Kansas is one of the main wheat producers in the world I think, my bet is wheat will be up today.  Corn planting is getting delayed due to weather.  From the supply side, I don't see a change near term. 

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 16:07 In reply to

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    Kansas, I guess the press coverage of the subject is considered old news as far as the FWi Forum is concerned! Now it all seems to be becoming reality. My guess is that it will still take a long while before it sinks into the minds of the urban populations of the 'first' World. So long as the supermarket shelves are stocked it will remain just another news story. At least if the IMF and World Bank have picked it up the behind the scenes work will start, they do after all seem to be the UN organisations who have a broader global view than the individual governments. The BBC is also the main global news source and I expect more so in the poorer countries, hence they are interested in showing that they do take notice. Stuart

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 16:36 In reply to

    • He his-self
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    Re: World Food Crisis

    The food riots have got our glorious leaders attention but it will take some members of a regime they sponsor being dragged out of their palaces and shot in the courtyard before they do anything.

    Meanwhile in the UK the supermarkets are incapable of realising they now have to pay a realistic price to producers to secure production. I will laugh heartily when the govt turns on them and ruins them the same way they ruined us when it suited them.

    As for the politicians I do not see many standing up to take the "credit" for the policy of "farmers must get their returns from the market" How oddBig Smile

    Stravaigin Aboot.
  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 16:45 In reply to

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    See this http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=440175&in_page_id=2&position=moretopstories also in MoS yesterday.

    Quote that shocks more than biofuel worries is :

    "Longer term, there are signs that Darling and other ministers from the Group of Seven rich nations could tear up 20 years of policies aimed at taking farmland out of production and return to the days of heavily subsidised intensive agriculture. "

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 19:06 In reply to

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    I guess I should have asked what will the leading governments of the world do about the situation, and will they make it worse or better?  Our government at the moment seems not at all concerned about it.  They can't or won't pass a farmbill.  Just today in the mail I got a flyer from the NRCS(Natural Resources and Conservation Service) urging me to take more land out of production permanently for wildlife habitat and to control erosion along the river.  Now they want the most productive land we have.  The way the system is set up, people who want land just as a retreat or for hunting can buy it, put it in these programs, and do better than if they rented it to a farmer.  I am quite concerned about this program on a personal level as it affects almost every field I farm.  In a nutshell, while the world stews about food shortages, our taxpayers are paying non-farmers to take land out of production forever.  In the CRP program, generally it was land that should have never been broken out to begin with, but in some of these wildlife and water quality programs, it is the most prime and productive land on the farm. 

    Another issue in the USA is the number of people building on 7-10 acre sites.  One house on that, not many.  The area around Kansas City use to be pretty good farmland, lots of dairies, now it is hard to tell where you are as the towns have all pretty much merged, with a few guys stubbornly continuing to farm amongst all the houses.  I am the first to defend our nation when someone else criticizes it, but we do have our fair share of stupid people, and short sighted politicians.  I can't see at the moment anyone over here talking about doing anything to produce more food, if anything it seems just the opposite. 

    My concern is not that I will go hungry, that is very unlikely.  My concern is in trying to fix this, will politicians make things worse?  Our consumers are being squeezed from all sides, high food, high gasoline and heating oil.  When people are up against the wall financially, almost always bad things happen.  There must be a happy medium somewhere between decent prices for commodities and people not able to feed themselves, or afford to heat their homes.  I wonder if anyone in any government can figure it out.

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 19:13 In reply to

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    Re: World Food Crisis

    return to the days of heavily subsidised intensive agriculture

    Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile

    Just in case this actually happens (I am not holding my breath) here is my wish list from the Chancellor.

    1 Abolition of farm assurance.

    2 Arable area payment of £275LFA and £200 non LFA (cropped land only no pony paddocks)

    3 Headage payments of £500 a suckler cow £100 ewe and £20 sow(outdoor only)

    4 50% grant on buildings and infrastructure (sheds drainage cottages farmhouses etc)

    5 50% grant on plant and machinery (tractors combines Range RoverV8s etc)

    6 Retirement package of £30k a year for all farmers over 65 to help them hand over to the next generation. (5 years max)

    7 Free university Agriculture courses with a £10k a year bursary.

    8 A £50k start up grant for all  Ag degree holders under 30 years.

    Anyone got more?

    Stravaigin Aboot.
  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 20:47 In reply to

    Re: World Food Crisis

    Better would be a straight subsidy based on your actual production. That would penalise people who were not making best use of their land. No more free money for chucking a handful of linseeds on your field and not harvesting anything.

    My favorite would be nationalise all farmland under an EUwide scheme of state intervention. That way you can take all the small scale producers out overnight, put on some proper kit and pay farm managers decent money and bonuses for gross margin targets.

    Sorts our poney paddocks, old codgers, tax issues all in one go. 

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 21:06 In reply to

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    Re: World Food Crisis

    TeslaCoils:
    nationalise all farmland under an EUwide scheme of state intervention. That way you can take all the small scale producers out overnight, put on some proper kit and pay farm managers decent money and bonuses for gross margin targets.

    Good idea TeslaCoils. Your scheme is not new however, and so you do not need to worry that there will be sufficient experienced people to see through your project. I suggest an advert in Pravda would elicit a positive response from hordes of people whose CV's will point to successful careers in the roles your scheme implies.

     

     

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 21:07 In reply to

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    I pulled out some lovely wheat last week,to drill some poxey grass 6meter strips,so the rabits can live there and eat off the next 6 meters,how mad is that,still points make prizes.  Here in a normal year we would get a tank full of wheat with a 6 meter header around a 20 acre field.Times that by all the fields in the uk with margins,thats a lot of wheat.Still the rabits we must look after them!!!.   JOHN.

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 22:07 In reply to

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    All i know is my boss has had the devil's own job getting hold of organic molasses to make the last bit of manky hay more palatable to the sucklers. He mumbled something about humans needing it more than cows!!

    Not every day is baaaaad.....
  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 22:53 In reply to

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    Tesla coils, you fairly come up with some interesting concepts.

    Ihave witnessed first hand state farming in russia, poland, etc . it was a disaster.

    Here is another concept;

    Prairie style graingrowing, using hydrocarbon based fertiliser will become uneconomic as oil reaches $300/ barrel or more.

    Mixed farming will have to return, with cattle, sheep, pigs, poultry, all kept outdoors.

    Fences and stockmen will return to eastern england.

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 23:04 In reply to

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    Kansas farmer, are the futures rising again due to your frost and wet weather?

    Here in scotland, sowing is delayed due to wet ground. it is very cold. the predicted"record" harvest is a long way off.

    I hear that planting rain is needed in australia.

    Whats the word over there?

  • Mon, Apr 14 2008 23:19 In reply to

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    He his self, no acreage payments, just bring back intervention for cereals.

    No headage payments for stock, just guarantee the price of poerk/beef/lamb.

    Acreage and headage payments all end up in the lairds pocket.

    Bring back drainage grants, grants for filling in ponds, ripping hedges,oops did i say that?

    Sorry, its all too much to take in . I need a drink.

  • Tue, Apr 15 2008 0:18 In reply to

    • robexel
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    Re: World Food Crisis

    What's all this about a food shortage?  There is no lack of food, only a lack of money to pay for it.  People in other countries earning maybe five pounds a week just can't afford to buy off the world market, so they grow their own or starve.  And in Europe / America etc, supermarkets are throwing away vast amounts of produce because it has not been sold before it goes off, there is plenty for everyone if they have the cash.

    Farmers should enjoy any shortage of produce, it keeps prices up. Wink

    Strategery of co-opetition will embiggen a cromulent future.
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