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World record 220,000gns Texel breaks cover

Here’s the photo we’ve been waiting for, the 220,000gns Texel from Lanark, Deveronvale Perfection. So, is he worth the money?

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204 Responses to World record 220,000gns Texel breaks cover

  1. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    he is a outstanding tup.he is the best tup i have ever deen in my life.he defonutly worth the money.

  2. AW April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    He’s one hell of a lamb, brilliant sheep.

    I beleive he lakcs a bit of colour in his head and could have a better eye

  3. MR April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Claybury just got 7000 for the reserve champion

  4. Puzzled Breeder April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    He looks to be a great tup from the picture. However, Deveronvale Perfection is a son of Kelso Oxygen, which in turn is a full brother to Kelso Ozone and & Kelso O.J. Kelso Ozone sold last year to Glenside & Castlecairn for 42,000gns but was later returned to M Reid (big news story last year). All Jimmy Douglas’s Lanark pen are sired by Kelso O.J. and he also has approximately 30 lambs born this year to Kelso Ozone. This line must be breeding very well or am I missing something?

  5. Baby Limmy April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Now I know I’m a cow girl at heart but a good beast is a good beast – nice back end, looks like a hell of a loin and well grown (as much as you can see from a pic) etc…not keen on those shoulders! AW – I love the fact you’re thinking about commercially important traits like colour of the head and eyes – the sheep industry obviously is in a pickle if that’s what’s important in a tup!

  6. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Intriguing angle on that PB, the exact same thoughts were in my mind, like you I assume the line must be delivering the goods for JD or he wouldn’t have snapped this one up, then again……

  7. MR April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    M Reid got 40000, 14000 etc

    He turned down 45000 for his best lamb however

    every lamb in his pen sold for over 1000

  8. AW April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    That lamb won’t be bought to breed store lambs

  9. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Thanks MR, turrning donw 45,000gns is a brave move, even on today’s trade!

  10. MR April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    He must think he’ll get more for it outside the ring

  11. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    is there going to be any more pictures of tups or ewes.

  12. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Still brave, unless someone’s offered more at home, will wait and see what comes of it.

  13. staggered April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Maybe not AW, but his progeny and their progeny are the tups that are used to produce prime and store lambs in this country and the pedigree breeders need to get a grip of the commercially important traits – just look at what’s happened to the Suffolks, the Texels are heading very fast down the same slippery slope.

  14. AW April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    That lamb has perfect commerical traits as well as those traits wnated by pedigree breeders. He looks to have a great carcase and good legs on him

  15. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    has haddo pele been sold yet

  16. Texeltrouble April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    A good lamb if you like lambing troubles and slow cooked shoulders of lamb I’d say. Too much up front and not enough behind for my mind, from the photo anyway. Just what’s going on with those shoulder rising up so sharply from his topline. I was always taught that a good beast had a square level top?! Beats me!

  17. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    So far as I know the Haddo lambs aren’t through yet, will try and report and high prices, but can’t guarantee anything below 10k will reach me.

  18. AW April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Joe was similar, its hard to judge a lamb by its picutre especially it shoulder. You need to put your hand on it. I’m sure it not too bad.

    I’v always been told you want tups with plenty of power, he look to have that anyway.

    Haddo isn’t through yet maeyfield

  19. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    You’re right AW it is hard to tell by the photo, but I’m also concerned by the shoulders on this one, possibly a tad too much power. Will wait and see what his progeny end up like…

  20. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    has haddo gone through with his tup lambs yet

  21. Baby Limmy April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Have to say I agree with Texel trouble and a beast with a good top – power isn’t all for me I’m afraid I look for length and depth on that loin – that’s the bit that pays – too many of these breeders are obsessed with breed character and colour of heads and whether they have the right dark and light patches in the right places – couldn’t give a monkeys myself – head – first in the ring, first in the bin!

    would love to see him in the flesh!

  22. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    has haddo pele gone through yet.please could you let me know as soon as you know when he has gone through and his buyer and his price.

  23. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Aye well, in the words of Paul McCartney…RAM ON…

  24. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    is there anymore news on the prices yet.will there be any more prices and pictures on the website.

  25. sheepwreck April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Who’s this with the obsession with Haddo Pele? If you’ve a bid on him, someone will let you know pretty damn quick if you’ve got him!!! The top Texel breeders are on the same slippery slope as the Suffolk boys, but, hey, they’re mostly the same people!! Selecting tups for big heads is never a great idea – it’s selecting against easy lambing – the No.1 commercial trait ‘cos dead lambs don’t make money. Jimmy D could have spent the money on a new combine – but a good Texel prime lamb is now worth more than a ton of barley – so maybe he’s got it right!

  26. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    are you about jonathan long.

  27. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    I am here, but can only bring you the news I get from my spies ringside. When I know anything you’ll know it!

  28. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    has haddo gone through yet

  29. MR April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Victor Chestnutt got 14000

  30. mR April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Think Haddo topped at 2400

  31. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    who bought haddo pele

  32. MR April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Sorry 3200

  33. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    It was Haddo President that got 3200

  34. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    how much did haddo pele cost and who bought him.

  35. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Jeeze, I don’t know

    Why do you want to know anyway, you’ve been going on about him all day

  36. Whiter than white April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Would someone flaming well go and find out how much bloody “pele” made before this man has a nervious breakdown!! Have also heard that NFU are not going to insure the 220k lamb. JD will have to put another pillow in his bed. Imagine the panic if that lamb farts in the wrong direction now..!!

  37. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    i know a man who only buys haddo tups.he has not got any breeding of this tup in his sheep and i was wondering did he buy him or not.

  38. limmy man April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    stop going on about this haddo lamb doesnt sound like hes done much does it!! crikey obsessed

  39. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    do you know if Mr Deri John Morgan of the Tynewydd texel flock has bought any tups so far in the sale.

  40. help the man April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    If you know the man why don`t you call and ask him then!? As the meercat would say “seemples”. This is comedy!!!! HaHa

  41. MAEYFEILD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    are you there jonathan long.do you know any more from the sale.

  42. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    You should phone up Lanark or the man himself

  43. MAEYFEILD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    how are you getting the information anyway.

  44. Ramtup April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Can you find out about haddo pele, i want to know now just in case as hooked by all the mentions!!! maybe it made only £400

  45. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    what do you mean

  46. Ramtup April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    just a joke, someone has obviosuly gone to the sale for this specific tup. you’ve asked so many times now I’m also curious

  47. Miss Wales April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Holy f***!!!!

    What a price – looks like a good tup – but crikey – he needs to be!! Best of luck to Jimmy Doug…

    Well done to the seller, any word eho (or what!!) were chasing?

  48. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Right, here’s what I know now, I believe the underbidder was John Forsyth, Glenside, no guarantee of that, but that’s the word. Don’t know about the Haddo lambs and won’t know unless they made serious money.
    Full report will be through tomorrow or next week depending how much info I can get in the morning.
    JD says the lamb is the best he’s seen in the breed with “a great body and a strong back, he’ll be used on Marksman daughters”
    Meanwhile, Graham Morrison, says “he’s the best lamb I’ve ever bred and the price supassed my wildest dreams”
    As for the lamb not getting insured – I’m not surpised, but would of thought they’d do it as a price, best JD gets semen taken ASAP!

  49. texeltrouble April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Get a life man, the Haddo’s tups haven’t sold well or JL would have reported them here already. Just wait for the full report, I’m sure JL has more to do and suffice your every whim!

  50. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    He’ll be going to Edinburgh to take semen of him I would have thought. Take no chances on him.

  51. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    It wasn`t John Forsyth bidding. I was there. It was my hubby that was bidding against the winner, we bid from 15,000 guineas to 210,000 and pulled out. Still on the search for the perfect ram, there are better out there.

  52. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Apologies, that was the info I had, but obviously wrong. Best of luck with the search

  53. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Well so far it`s been great fun. Today was great, all the adrenalin and no big bill at the end up.

  54. Baby Limmy April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Crikey – would love to know what you would pay for the perfect one then – I best start breeding texels quick sharpish!!

    Maeyfield Texels – next time go to the bloody sale yourself – when JL is ringside he can tell you what stuff makes when he’s sat in the office making do with a few spies ringside and a photographer that’s working his bloody socks off he can’t exactly know everything?! Having said that you’ve made me chuckle throughout the day to say the least!

  55. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Being a commercial sheep breeder for 20 years i would like to think i know a thing or two about sheep the Texel is turning into a white faced Suffolk and Deveronvale Perfection is no exception. Too much bone, too much shoulder, a dip in his back you could get lost in, soft wooled and absolutely no giggot.

  56. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    So, where next, Carlisle next week? Dare I ask the prefix you’re buying for?

  57. Baby Limmy April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Well that’s told us then! Think I’ll stick with native sheep – mind you there are some muppets in that job that want to see a bit more head – deluded to say the least!

  58. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Can`t make Carlisle. On the market for some AI. So suggestions. Name the best sperm in the UK and why.

  59. Dafydd April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    There hasn’t been a response to a post like this since all that hoo haa about the formation of the Mongrel Cattle Society!!

    Its a shocking amount of money for a ram, the news is sure to trickle its way to one or two national papers, and good old Joe Bloggs will think that farmers get it good all the time. It doesn’t do anybody any good, apart from the vendor and the auctioneers of course!

    As for Insurance, im sure they will be able to insure it, but likely to cost circa £20k just for 3months cover!! Get some semen off him ASAP!

  60. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Well if you like this lamb then I’d suggest going down the Kelso route, Oxygen or O J maybe, failing that what about Millar’s Outsmart from last year, don’t how he’s bred this time round though, or his father, Masterpiece. After that I’d be tempted by Douganhill McFly, a naturally fleshing sheep from a great flock with all the right priorities. For a couple of classics what about Blondin or Forever, strong Muiresk lines that should see you right.

  61. Geoff April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    I disagree. It`s good news for texel breeders. Texel breeding is an exciting gamble.

  62. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    That’s the only worry Dafydd, but saying that my phone’s been quiet all afternoon and not even the BBC have picked up on it yet despite a prompt from me, so maybe they’ll leave it alone this time.

  63. pr April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    i would agree with jonathon long on the semen and go for mellor vale masterpiece as he is a proven breeder

  64. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Any news on how Newhill Major has bred?

  65. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    He’s the sire of the dam’s of several of Malcolm Reid’s lambs from today, so looks to be going OK, but from what I can see I’d say he’s maybe a better female breeder than a male thrower?

  66. texel April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    any more prices

  67. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Proven breeder of what? Whopping great heads and not much else and nothing has come from his offspring they were just freaks.

  68. pr April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    what do u know, up to 29,000 for his lambs. I think they have to be quite good to reach that sort of money.

  69. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Newhill Major threw tremendos size and skins on all his offspring but their heads didn’t make the grade for pedigree sheep market.

  70. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Can’t eat the head though can we? Looking through the lines, it’s maybe the way I’d go, his daughters seem to be breeding well – probably a result of being fleshier and not to strong.

  71. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    What do u know? like i just said whopping great heads and nothing else and nothing from his proginy daughters or sons not a good lamb amongst them bad skins and no flesh!!!

  72. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    On the money with with that comment Johnathan and generally once you get the female side right your three quarters of the way there.

  73. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Ok Pr, if you don`t like Newhill Major who do you rate for sperm?

  74. iain johnston April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hi would you guys n dolls get real.These sheep are like show dogs.Look good but of no purpose what so ever.Ive been breeding texels for 25years.They are supposed to be the ultimate terminal sire……What happened????

  75. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    That tup does not have too much bone and texels aren’t turning uinto the suffolks. I think your getting carried away. Texel tups have big gigots, a damn sight bigger than the suffolks thats for sure.

    Not sure what your going on about wool either, the texels have great tight fleeces and unlike the suffolk breeders, clipping is not permitted

  76. pr April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    what i do like the newhill major tup

  77. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    If you could get Mellervale officer semen you;d be doing great.

    Sue – I don’t believe you’ll see a better tup than him for a while. Also it was Trinidad ivestments who were the runners up I heard (from a good source). They bought a tup of Reid for 14000

  78. pr April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    newhill major, mellor vale masterpiece, mellor vale officer or the tup winning all the shows might be good.

  79. iain johnston April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    If you had handled the rams at Lanark.You would maybe change you mind.90% body.10% head is how to judge texels.It says that in manual.Not the other way…

  80. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    not enough backside for the money

  81. SJK April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Ifs bad enough when you fork out £500 and the thing pops its clogs with in a couple of months. If I paid that much and than happened….

  82. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    big news the goss is that the lamb was bought last week for 60000 and was taken 2 the sale to break the record not genuine at all under bidder was trinidad

  83. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Were you even at Lanark? In fact are you even on the same planet??

  84. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    the commercial man doesnt need a head like that at allyou would hardly manage to pull a lamb out of a ewe needs more depth of muscle for me

  85. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    what does it matter about a head?

  86. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Thanks for the Mellorvale Tip Mr however your good source re Trinidad is incorrect. It was my purse strings feeling the pang!! So I know. Way this gossip is going are you sure JD wasn`t the runner up!! Come on folks, this is like chinese whispers. We were there not (a good source).

  87. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    forsyth bought a strathbogie tup for 9000

  88. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    your mans got some nerve he never flinched when bidding i stood and watched him feel sorry for you as the other bidder was not genuine and i know you were

  89. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Ok Sue here goes a quick history lesson how about a tup thats behind a lot of todays good lambs breeds good males and females alike, many of them prize winners at major shows wasn’t over used like so many others. Sire of ram lambs to 36000 and grandsire of lambs at 110000 (Newhill Major) and 10000 (castlecairn kennedy) who bred so well in Ireland and the Tup im talking about Crookholm Impressario out of a top muiresk female line

  90. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Ok interested in the lesson. I`ll google him while JL posts this.

  91. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Ok interested in the lesson. I just googled him while JL posted. Where is he now? Crookholm Impressario?

  92. maeyfield texel April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    how did millars president get on.

  93. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    hes said to have turned it down because forsyth was bidding for it with boden.

  94. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    majour hardly left a lamb only tupped a hand ful of ewes theres only been one tup sold off him to date that was turned out unsold. i would love to find out what happened to lamb reid bought from castlecairn the week before major at 20000 that everyones forgotten about probably ended up at the cally or lanark in the cast pen one day anyone help me out

  95. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    total farse should have the price tag of 60000 not 220000 only 60k will change hands

  96. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    hes a complete t…. he deserves a slap makes a laughing stock of the breed wants 120000 for a tup with know backside the mans a joke

  97. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    too many breaders focasing on a breeders lamb need to look after the commercial man we need big backside and a good skin not a head that you cant get out a ewe

  98. Solwaybank April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    What an interesting read on here.
    I couldn’t make it to the sale but it sounds like the good ones were making money. There were 2 people involved as under bidder and that is all I will say.

  99. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I’d heard a rumour about it being turned away because he had a row with John Forsyth last night – look’s like it may be right. Sorry for not getting comments up for a while – had to come home from the office.

  100. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I seen Major and that Castlecairn tup at Norman Reids (his Dad) farm the Sunday after Carlisle, he said that he wouldn’t use him

  101. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    do you know how millars president got on because if you go onto agri images you can look at some texel stock.i saw millars president on there and he is a tromendouse tup in my veiw.

  102. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    do you know how millars president got on in the sale.

  103. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I heard that too, also heard that trinidad investments where the underbidders from a ‘reliable source’

  104. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    5000

  105. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    do you know who bought him

  106. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Ah well, I’ll see what comes out in the wash tomorrow, either way only one man bought him in the end and he’s the one counting out the dosh today!

  107. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    are you there AW.

  108. MAEYFIELD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    do you know who bought millars president.

  109. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    pretty sure that castlecairn tup ended up at the underbidders flock, sportsmans, his name was mohen mint.

  110. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    dunlop of elmscleugh, blackface breeders.

  111. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Malcom said he has got offered 35000 by the underbidder, but we thought it was bulls”"T as he bought a lamb privatly off castlecairn
    The tup wasn’t mohen mint, he cost 8500 at the sale

  112. MAEYFEILD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    what r u on about the castlecairn tup

  113. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    no millars president

  114. MAEYFEILD TEXELS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    how did haddo pele get on

  115. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    no idea

  116. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Maeyfield, please stop asking the same question over and again, we don’t the answer so please leave it now.

  117. Baby Limmy April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    pele obviously didn’t sell all that well – give up will ya – it’s borning you keep asking – 115 odd comments on this post and about 15 of them are you asking about that poxy sheep!

  118. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    dunlop of elmscleugh bought millars president. some other prices and buyers if you are interested. garngour playboy made 14,000gns to knock and logie durno, drumpark president made 12,000gns to stonebridge, arkle, haltcliffe and stockton i think, baltier panther made 11,000gns for 1/2 share to sportsmans, wester crosshill prody 10,000gns to thrunton, sheeoch perfection 8000gns to midlock, hartside, kingledores and burnhead, bradleys pure gold 7000gns to deveronvale. think clinterty got 8000gns aswell.

  119. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Thanks for those Backin Black, the help is much appreciated, did you get anything yourself?

  120. texel fan April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    To Sue i know it was you guys under bidding,hard luck you gave it a great attempt!Crookholm impressarrio semen is at Ettrick Flock, he bred gimmers to 5’000gns & Ettrick Jackpot 36’000 and it was jackpot who sired Newhill Major (whose daughters are breeding very well)

  121. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    just a cheaper lamb from breddies 950 gns, back up for stock ram but hopefully good shearling maker, was a very good show of lambs there were plenty if bargains if you kept away from biiger names. plent of stock tups going to well known flocks in 2000 to 3000 bracket.

  122. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    forsyth tried to go in the pen and reid grabbed him by the arm and said you didnt pay for last years lamb your not getting another chance this year or some where along those lines everyone who saw it thought it was hillarious

  123. Texelbubble April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Seems like we’re in a “south sea bubble” scenario. Patently there are key breeder/buyers that market set, are we sensible to follow?

  124. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    procters sold lamb at 8000 to garngour and kypeview
    cowal sold lamb 2 cambwell and mr wight
    dear kelso tup sold to cowal and wester crosshill

  125. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    heard trinidad was at glenside recently an spent 80000 can you shed any light or is this rubbish

  126. Gilbert April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Etterick

  127. Gilbert April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    The 20000 tup in question was Castlecairn Mr President and as Malcom only had 5 ewes at the time he didn’t use him flushed them all to Newhill Major

  128. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    John Forsyth was told to leave Reid’s pen last night after what happened with reid’s 42000 lamb last year.

    Reid obviously knew Forsyth was bidding on the lamb so didn’t sell him and JP tried to buy him outside the ring.

    The £220000 lamb was sold to Jimmy Douglas for £65000 on Tuesday

    p.s – Sorry sue, obviously got it wrong, if you don’t mind me asking what flock do your run. You were obviously very keen to get him

  129. sheeppete April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    This is the funniest think i have witnessed in years!!

    Why is the british sheep industry in the mess it is? Because farmers are breeding for fancy big heads and sparkley eyes, black noses and big bone in the legs!! Are you trying to f**k the commercial sheep industry?! Sheep should lamb naturally by themselves outside and not need 24 hour supervission just to help get those massive heads and shoulders out!

    Suffolks were screwed by this, Blackies are being screwed by this (why do you thing so many of them use a swale on their pure flocks, to correct that faults of the blackie) now your screwing the Texels too!! Every bloody so called Blackie tup breeder now has a drove of ‘white shites’ too, 4 of them just bought Sheeoch Perfection! Muppets the lot of you!

    The only breed thats benefiting is the Charollais because they actually think about producing a carcass and not a fancy fecking head!!!!!!!!

    I say keep going Texel breeders, you are making yourself look like tits!

  130. Gethin April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    he was a nice tup. if i was too fault him maybe a bit soft in the bach end

  131. dave April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    hi, just a quick note – sorry to pick fault!

    Westercrosshill Prody at 10,000gns is said to have sold to both Thrunton & Jack Arnott at Haymount for his females too…just thought you might want the full details Johnathan and thanks for keeping us all updated!!
    Dave

  132. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    If you study the recent purchases by Trindad of ewes, and then study the bloodline of the tup they bought at Lanark, which was a right good buy and an ideal bloodline to compliment their ewes suspect we`ll be seeing some damn near perfect offspring. Trinidad made a sensible and highly complimentary purchase for their bloodline.

  133. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    thanks Dave for the updated info, still trying to get my head around the 220k lamb, the money being spent has just got ridiculous now.

  134. sheep dog April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Sheep pete
    Wouldn’t be too quick to say Charollais as a whole – the majority yes, but there are many breeders out there showing this year with gurt great fat lumps – granted they’re not the ones that will shape the industry (I hope not anyway) but every breed has its bad followers don’t you think. Equally every breed has its guys that know what they’re up to from a commercial point of view – reckon you fall in to that one with your comments – I agree with all of them! Just seen some bloody fat Charollais sheep this year and that’s no good for anybody!

  135. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    AW you wrote: The £220000 lamb was sold to Jimmy Douglas for £65000 on Tuesday. Is this true! How do you know this?

  136. RCT April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    does anyone know about jeff atking buying a half share in reids 45000 tup lamb.

  137. JUST A THOUGHT!! April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    RIGHT……..something to think about…….

    If the 220k tup really sold for 65k, the 62k suffolk for 31k and the 20k suffolk for 10k what are the legalities of the situation?
    The insurance companies are being asked to insure for the hammer value not the value of money to change hands, surely not above board.
    The honest buyers who want to buy lambs at the true value not the fixed value are being priced out of the sale. Surely this fixing is no different to the supermarket food price fixing scandal that all farmers are unhappy about and should be brought before the competitions complaints commision. The idea of open market auctions is for a fair and transparent market price to be achieved.
    Also legally how do the auctioneers stand when they are readilly accepting cheques for the agreed value and not the hammer value of the sale, surely they are then complicit to the deal and therefore openly breaching transparency regulations.
    The rules of trade are openly being flouted and even worse everyone knows and accepts it is happening. True breeders cant buy the stock they want and nobody does anything about it.
    Its time the auctioneers put a stop to price fixing and made it a fair market place. I would like to know what the competitions commision would make of the auctioneers and the buyers and sellers involved!! JD might get a record he doesnt want, a record fine!!!

  138. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    sue – Its just a rumour going about the place, just don’t take my word on it

  139. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Firstly, we don’t know for sure if the price was fixed or not, it appears there was a genuine underbidder involved, so maybe it is above board. But, if it had been rigged then it’s down the the auctioneers as to how they play it, certainly the way I’ve always understood is that an excessive luck payment is made, so the sale appears genuine through the auctioneers books and any “back-hander” is made directly between the vendor and buyer, thus meaning the auctioneers avoid being involved and have no direct knowledge of the trade. Luck payments, whether you agree with them or not – I’ve never been a great fan – are a common part of livestock trading, the question is when does a luck payment become a fixed sale?

  140. JC April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    The rumour re the £65k is coming out of a lot of sources – many of whom were at the sale.

  141. sheepwreck April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Some things never change and more fancy high-priced tup lambs have ended up in the fat ring than ever went on to breed anything decent. As someone who hasn’t been to the Lanark Texel sale for years, I was struck by the huge size of the tup lamb’s heads in relation to their bodies. It’s obvious that heads matter more than carcase in the rarified atmosphere of pedigree Texels, and nobody gives a toss for what’s behind, or THE behind. Texel breeders are becoming complacent about their top spot in the terminal sire market and are starting to take the commercial farmers for granted – just like the Suffolk breeders – and see where that’s got them. Some Texel breeders have seen the light and are buying Beltex to repair the damage, and not before time.

  142. aw April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    You’ve probably got it correct there J Long

  143. JUST A THOUGHT!! April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    giving back 1/2 or 2/3 of a sale is way beyond luck and everyone knows it !!

  144. sheepwreck April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Haven’t slept a wink all night wondering what Haddo Pele made and who bought him. The fate of this tup had Blogland residents on the edge of their seats yesterday and we’re really anxious to know more.

  145. RCT April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    what are you on about haddo pele

  146. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Well here’s the breaking news on Pele – he wasn’t forward for sale!!!! Meanwhile, I’ve just spoken to Brian Ross at L and S and he reports that the 220k lamb is definitely a genuine sale and was paid for on the day.

  147. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I reckon we should stop talking about deals before the sale as it is all just rumours which could have been started by some drunken idiot in the pub (at lanark mart)

    That sheep probably did sell for the world record fee so lets leave it at that. He’s a bloody good ram and if breeds as good as Joe he’ll be worth every penny

  148. the highlander April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hope some of you can take time out from texel madness to look at the photos of the calves for next weeks Thainstone spectacular and go up and buy some calves to get some real fun out of and success at the Christmas shows. see what you think at http://www.goanm.co.uk and follow links worth a look.

  149. Solwaybank April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I can assure you that £65100 was paid for the Cairness ram. £31000 is not even half.
    Get your facts correct before posting on here.
    Anyway what has this got to do with the ram I have bought?

  150. ER April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Sue, John forsyth himslef told me that perfection was sold last week for £65,000. i asked him was it to him and he said no

  151. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    OK guys I think we’ve had enough speculation now. The auctioneers have a sale recorded at 220k and have the money for it too, so anything else is conjecture. Unless anyone can provide concrete evidence I suggest it is left well alone.

  152. mr April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    agreed 100%

    Its getting stupid now

  153. sheepwreck April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Where were you yesterday when enquiries about Haddo Pele were at fever pitch on this blog – all from the same blogger. It was relentless and must have driven JL nuts! Good for a laugh and brightened up a dull day.

  154. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Nuts is the polite word Sheepwreck, the fact the lamb wasn’t even at the sale has made even more entertaining!

  155. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    JL can you tell me what a luck payment is? Explain it? Never heard of this before and I`m sure other bloggers here don`t know what it is either.

  156. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hi Sue, I’m surprised you’ve not heard of a luck payment, or luck penny as some call it. Basically the vendor of an animal may make a discretionary payment to the buyer to thank them for buying their stock. The level of this luck or if any is paid at all is entirely down to the vendor to decide. That’s the essence of it, its basically a thank you payment.

  157. ER April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    sue, are you with procters farms?

  158. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    No ER, not proctors, who are you with? Got any good texel sperm? And yeah JL I`ve heard of the luck penny, I thought that was a tradition, but for eggs (we give free range eggs) or a small gift but I`ve never heard of a luck penny of thousands..I wouldn`t call that a penny, that has a different terminlogy which is unprintable.

  159. ER April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    sue – ah rite. you with sportsmans? just a little flock in west wales. yeah i’ve got some in stock for own use. Castlecairn keltic star, Muiresk forever,Muiresk blondin and Annan one o one. none for sale tho. luck money is when you sell a tup for £1,000, and u give the vendor a fiver as luck. it is a tradition.

  160. mike April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    SUE PLEASE stop showing ignorance … the word is SEMEN – it’s frozen and been ejaculated, there is a difference than calling it sperm…

    had to mention that, on a number of occassions you’ve made that mistake … – you a livestock person??

  161. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    More a techno geek, which is why I`m gabbing on line from work. Excuse me if I offended anyone using the incorrect noun.

  162. Welly Bob April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    BBC story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8226054.stm

  163. ER April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I’f i was you sue, i’d keep well clear of semen from millars outstanding and olymplian. also o’gara and masterpiece. also keep away from keltic stat and forever. i am tempted to go bak at some glenside his nibs semen, and annan one o one.

  164. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    was at the sale its true

  165. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    it did happen heard jd tell people

  166. cc April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    he would say that

  167. mike April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    no worries sue, try looking for semen off the 10k Wester crosshil lamb who went to Haymount and Thrunton, his pic isn’t perfect of him, – he was massive, with amazing width and top and a big arse, all round balanced plus some style and not much wrong with the face at all – a proper commercial asset tup for the pedigree breeder.
    Cheers,- u mite not get semen this year tho, I’m not sure??
    Mile

  168. andrew April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    hi jonathan, not sure if you’ll reply at this time of night(!) but any ideas on how Millar (irish) got on, in particular with Millar’s President???

    Many thanks

  169. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Mike, after some thought, could not stop laughing about your comment. Gosh: I`d thought we`d bid 210,000 on an investment in sperm!! I stand corrected. One must use the correct nouns in this Texel game!!! And there was me thinking one only had to use the correct bloodline!

  170. ramraider2 April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Would anyone even believe an auctioneer anyway, even under oath?? Up there with the gangsters!

  171. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hi Andrew, I believe, thanks to AW last night that Millar’s President made 5000gns, not guaranteeing that as I’m afraid I’ve got firm info on 10k and above. Sold to Emscleugh I believe.

  172. DAS April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hi guys, what a load of speculation eh! what people dont know they SEEM to just make up. In my opinion theres alot of people talking alot of balls.

  173. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Would back that Mike, I like him from the photo, look’s full of flesh, Can’t fathom the Kelso lambs myself, not a lot behind by my reckoning.

  174. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hi DAS, agree on speculation, but that’s the way folk are I’m afraid, when something of this magnitude happens there will always be speculation.

  175. sty April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    word is that jimmy douglas had the lamb bought before he came to the ring for 65K its a setup and graham has ruined the sale of his lamb !

  176. Jonnie Campbell April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    If your interested in where Crookholm Impressario is, he died 2 years ago at Bardnaclavan Farm in Caithness but if anyone is interested I have 100 doses of semen stored and am willing to sell. (Jonnie Campbell, Bardnaclavan Farm)

  177. mike April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    no worries sue, – i was prob a bit harsh at the time, – it sounded so scientific & wrong saying sperm(!) – semen seems to roll off the tongue better while covered in dip and livestock muck!!

    Anyway, still stand by wat i said on the 10k lamb from wester crosshil, – a real fleshy lamb, (bought by 2 known bull breeders’) so you can be sure the lambs got all the important bits, plus a head on this one i would say!!!

    am sure you’ll find a suitable individual for good semen one way or another that wud suit wat u want…

    *** and yep jonathan v true, i think in the flesh but particularly in the pics mr.reid is short of backend in his lambs without a doubt – another case of head sells, tho malcolm has spent alot of money to work his lambs up to this stage of value so needs credit.

  178. Joe April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    How come the Scottish Farmer got a phone call about this sheep at the beginning of the week and was told that it would be a record and that Jimmy Douglas was buying it……….

  179. Deri April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Surprised by the interest. I picked up Arkle Pacific Star by Curley Orlando for 3,000 Gns. No Haddo this time!

  180. texelmania April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    brilliant sale, everyone should stop criticising one another. if we want the texel breed to succeed, we should stick together and produce what the customers want and that is lamb for eating.

  181. Geoff April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    How do you know that Joe? Who called them? Hot gossip on this blog

  182. Top line April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Hi sue, how r u? Sorry didn’t get back to you about Impressario but i see others have answered for me, he’s at Ettrick (www.ettricktexels.co.uk)
    I like many other’s r very interested in who you r exactly??? If not sportsmans or proctors r u a very pretty girl with dark hair and glasses? If this is a yes then i know who you r and will say no more. Best of luck with your sperm hunt oops sorry semen hunt lol

  183. Geoff April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    STOP PRESS. An exclusive for fwi. I have a mole in the JD camp who has tipped me off to JD`s next tup purchase. Here it is here. What bonnie hair! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKkZ3hkDF4w

  184. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    does anyone know how malcom Reid kelso Texels got on with his tup lambs.i heared he sold one after the sale to jeff atkin who now is procters farm new shepherd.

  185. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Maeyfield, The first Kelso lot was pulled at 45,000, Kelso Pavarotti sold for 40,000, what a nature and right sturdy. Heard he went to Allister Beaton and Mr Campbell. Good Luck with him if you are reading the blog. He looks easy to work with.(If that is important) And heard the last of his Lanark stock sold for 9,000.

  186. maeyfeild texels April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    are you deri john morgan of tynewydd texels

  187. Deri April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Yes.

  188. Dave April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    I was wondering if any of you guys ever thought about coming to Southern Ireland to purchase texels – the stock has improved greatly over the past couple of years. A couple of the rams that were purchased in Blessington bred some good stuff in Lanark. Victor Chestnut’s ram lamb that made 14k is by Ballybrooney Orlando (sired by Tullagh Neptune – Dungannon Show Champion from a couple of years ago. He cost Victor around €1400 last year (around £1000).

  189. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Some of the Irish stock does look good. Hubby did a deal at the weekend for a tup, he`s gorgeous, (I`m sure that isn`t the correct adjective so apologies in advance for using the wrong words). He`s from the Teiglum and Garngour Texel flock which we`ve much admired. The tup wasn`t in the Lanark sale. Thanks for all the advice on the blog.

  190. mike April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    in all fairness, irish stock does often look the part, but with experience with bulls & tups (please take no offence) they often don’t breed as well as the tup looks. – could be for a number of contraversial reasons, but bull breeders are often shying away from the irish pens now. from past experience, tho i was v iterested in a certain lamb in millar’s pen this year lanark, but my ewes are all gone now…

    hope urs does well tho sue…

  191. Perth-mania April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Malcom Reid is an Irish man, aint doing his stock any harm.

    I don’t think Northern Irish Bulls and sheep breed any worse or better than Scottish bred livestock (Its usually similar bloodlines anyway) although I’d rather have an Irish bull that a Scottish one

  192. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    hi deri,
    i bought your number 2 ewe in the brecon in lamb sale last year.the person i work with bough number 8.they are both breeding well.i will hopefuly see you on friday.

  193. mike April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    ok perth mania malcolm is doing fine – tups need more arse tho…

    i think wat i was trying to say was it’s debatable what alot of irish stock is brought out on to make them so very good…

    plz take no offence, cheers,

  194. Deri April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    That’s good to hear! Hopefully see you at Llandovery.

  195. Sue April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    To try to stop the speculation. We have never met JD and as hubby says “JD could have stopped bidding at any point”. I did however, notice JD seemed to still be bidding even after the gavel was down..in some auctions those additional bids would have been accepted. We are equally pleased with our new tup so lets hope the lambs are braw.

  196. maeyfield texels April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    how is the lucky strike tup with you

  197. limmyman April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Anyone any news from thainstone?

  198. big moo April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    thainstone supreme champion andrew anderson with red steer top price of 4000 to alford somerset.a better show of steers than heifers

  199. backin black April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    hi jonathan thought you would like to know haddo pele has been found!, he’s a sub lamb in the haddo pen at carlisle.

  200. Jonathan Long April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Thank the lucky stars, I was getting worried about him being missing for so long!!

  201. texelfan April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Just wondering if you were starting up a texel flock and wanted 5/10 good gimmer/ewes where would be the best place to get them

  202. Texelbreeder April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Yes, excellent gimmers from the Penparc flock are destined for the twilight in lamb sale on the 4th of December at Carlisle.

  203. madtex April 8, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Any news on the Haddo Pele progeny yet

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