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16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

Last post Fri, Sep 17 2010 15:34 by Tim.Relf. 14 replies.
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  • Sat, Sep 4 2010 23:19

    • duggz
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    16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    i was talking tot my father the other day as i had my date for my tractor test and we were talking about it and then we suddenly thought its a bit strange at 16 u are seen resonsible and safe enoug, if you pass your tractor test to drive a 100hp tractor on the road thta could kill and crush many cars and not drive a small car which would do less danmage if it was rstricted ( not like a 50cc moped mind you ), and so i was wondering if anyone else understands my point not that i would want it to change aganst me but change so im aloud to drive at an earlier age. :)

     

  • Sun, Sep 5 2010 12:34 In reply to

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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

     Hi Duggz

    It is strange and from what I can gather its the maximum road speed the vehicle can do before being restricted. Unfortunately even if the law was going to be changed it would be to late to help you.

    All the best with your test, don't be to annoyed if you don't get it as they have to fail a certain percentage regardless. But give it your best shot.

  • Sun, Sep 5 2010 14:38 In reply to

    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    mursal:
    have to fail a certain percentage regardless

    Really? I never knew that. What's the theory behind that then?

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  • Sun, Sep 5 2010 16:23 In reply to

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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

     Mainly revenue, but if you were an examiner and you passed 100% of candidates it wouldn't look the best would it?

  • Sun, Sep 5 2010 18:18 In reply to

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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    Well i hope i pass anyway because it isnt cheap...

  • Sun, Sep 5 2010 21:52 In reply to

    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    duggz:

    Well i hope i pass anyway because it isnt cheap...

    I guess that answers the revinue bit, but if I were an examiner and you were good enough to pass then I think you should pass! If said examiner happened to test only people who were competant to drive then it's a bit rough to fail some of them just to make you look like a hard ass examiner. The injustice of it all!

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  • Sun, Sep 5 2010 22:51 In reply to

    • old mcdonald
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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    tcb, I think it has always been that way. I failed my first attempt because I did not know how to reverse around a corner with two-way traffic in both streets. I suspect it is an unlawful movement anyway. I passed at the second attempt and felt that I was not really ready to be let loose. Nearly 50 years ago though. My son failed 5 times, passing on the 6th. I knew his instructor very well, and he confirmed that some fail for no reason, BUT, he rarely had a nice looking lassie fail. I bet the Vixen got through first time!.  

  • Mon, Sep 6 2010 10:20 In reply to

    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    I was convinced I failed my first driving test because my examiner needed to make up numbers. In retrospect it was probably because I was an atrocious driver ;)

    So what does the tractor test consist of?

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  • Mon, Sep 6 2010 11:37 In reply to

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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

     

    racheljones:
    I was convinced I failed my first driving test because my examiner needed to make up numbers.

     

    Rachel, thats funny I thought you would fall into the Vixen category?

  • Mon, Sep 6 2010 12:44 In reply to

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    mursal:

     

    racheljones:
    I was convinced I failed my first driving test because my examiner needed to make up numbers.

     

    Rachel, thats funny I thought you would fall into the Vixen category?

    The tester must have been gay ! On a serious note my second son who is an excellent driver failed his first test. The instructor couldn't believe it and questioned the tester, but wasn't given a tidy answer. Sailed through 2 wks later. Definately makes you wonder !

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  • Mon, Sep 6 2010 15:49 In reply to

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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    Ill try my best, hope i pass anyway i can drive a tractor no problem just hope the examiner doesnt need to push his or her fail numbers up on my day

  • Tue, Sep 7 2010 13:31 In reply to

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    old mcdonald:

    tcb, I think it has always been that way. I failed my first attempt because I did not know how to reverse around a corner with two-way traffic in both streets. I suspect it is an unlawful movement anyway. I passed at the second attempt and felt that I was not really ready to be let loose. Nearly 50 years ago though. My son failed 5 times, passing on the 6th. I knew his instructor very well, and he confirmed that some fail for no reason, BUT, he rarely had a nice looking lassie fail. I bet the Vixen got through first time!.  

     

    It does make you wonder. I passed my tractor test on my 16th birthday (no lessons) no problem, and my car test a fortnight after my 17th with just a handfull of lessons. Was I competant after that much experience on the road? I dunno. There was no doubt I could "drive", I'd been driving tractors and the pick up since I was 7, but as for road sense..doubtful. But hey, I'm still alive and I havent caused any... serious... accidents! (Touching wood as I type)

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  • Tue, Sep 7 2010 23:09 In reply to

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    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    tcb, My younger brother was the same, although not quite so quickly, and a separate tractor test was not necessary in those days. You have had a few years to pick up your "road sense" so I expect to continue to read your always interesting posts for many more years yet.

  • Tue, Sep 7 2010 23:57 In reply to

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    old mcdonald:
    I expect to continue to read your always interesting posts for many more years yet.

    I hope I don't let you down Old M!

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  • Fri, Sep 17 2010 15:34 In reply to

    Re: 16 can drive a tractor but not a car...?

    Ian Pigott tackled this very subject in his column in FW last week. Here's what he had to say:

    Laws concerning minors and agricultural vehicles are outdated and out of step with the 21st century. A good friend (who is not of farming stock) telephoned me last week to ask for clarity over the age laws for driving tractors. He had been on his holidays in rural Britain (I won’t be specific but it was near Taunton) when someone pulled out in a tractor in front of his car.

    As he explained it to me: "He looked about 12, could only just see over the steering wheel and was in charge of a massive dark green tractor with a spikey thing on the back. Even worse, the kid was on his flippin’ mobile."

    I explained that you can take a tractor test at 16 and how I had enjoyed that perk of the job in my youth. But my youth was rather a long time ago, so I did a bit of research to find out what constitutes a "massive" tractor and what a 16-year-old is legally allowed to commandeer on the highways and byways.

    I can see my friend’s point. Farm machines have changed beyond all recognition since I took my test on a David Brown 990 in 1985 and the laws either need updating or, better still, rewriting.

    As long as your tractor is no wider than 2.45m and the axles on your trailer no further than 840mm apart, you can pass your tractor test in the morning and be roaring along a dual carriageway in the afternoon hauling mountains of grain at speeds up to 40kph (probably 50kph if your tractor is capable, although this is illegal on UK roads).

    Young farmers who have been driving tractors on farm tracks since they were old enough to reach the pedals (but obviously not before they were past their 13th birthday) would not welcome any change that delayed their freedom on the roads. But handing inexperienced drivers such responsibility is madness – and a reaction like the one expressed by my friend is understandable.

    The NFU Mutual has countless claims for accidents involving rookie category F (agricultural vehicle) licence holders. Travel bulletins are smattered with tales of tractors and trailers shedding their loads, too often driven by inexperienced drivers.

    It is difficult to defend a law that allows youths who aren’t old enough to have a pint in a pub loose on the road without so much as a lesson. At the very least, passenger seats should be used so that 16-year-olds can have supervised lessons before they can take a test.

    A more draconian suggestion would be to defer category F applications until their 18th birthday, ensuring that the individual had prior road experience.

    The same "out of date" criticism can be said of the age restriction for children travelling in tractors.

    The rule preventing under-13s travelling in tractors was written in days of yore when cabs and doors were a novelty on such vehicles. Devastatingly, it was not uncommon for children to fall off the mudguards on which they were perched.

    It must be safer for children to sit in the confines of a cab rather than on the ground obscured from view.

    The passenger seats in tractors and combines are the perfect setting for a bit of fatherly bonding, touting the merits of a career in farming (I speak as a father who sees precious little of his children during harvest).

    Tractors have been updated beyond all recognition in the past 30 years and it is high time the laws governing their use were as well.

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