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inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

Last post Thu, Jul 17 2008 13:08 by the aged clun. 5 replies.
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  • Wed, Jul 16 2008 22:47

    inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

    Gordon Brown’s vision for Agriculture is that it should be ecologically and financially sustainable. This vision, one would think, heralds some joined up thinking.  Badgers are major predators of ground nesting birds. In some livestock areas they have increased twenty fold. At current populations they are an ecological disaster. Through predation they threaten the biodiversity of the countryside (particularly now that the Government has removed the ground nesting habitat provided by set aside, from our relatively badger free arable landscape). As carriers of TB, the current population of Badgers threatens the financial sustainability of Livestock Farmers, and therefore the wealth of grazed Habitats that they struggle to maintain. There are plenty of organisations and charities claiming to be ‘dedicated’ to the conservation of our landscape, its habitats, and biodiversity. Applying their beloved precautionary principle, a cull of Badgers would make the British countryside more ecologically and more financially sustainable, (a ‘win win’ situation). Instead, they remain silent, while Farmers wait for a TB vaccine for Badgers, and the prospect of no limit to their population or predation and no control of TB.

     

  • Thu, Jul 17 2008 6:22 In reply to

    Re: inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

    Before 1960 we had no Badgers and we had Lapwings, Ducks, Skylarks and any other ground nesting birds. The farming has not altered at all in that time only the Badgers have come in and take all of the eggs.

    They not only take eggs but also dig out all of the Bumble Bee nests, hence the dramatic fall in Bees.

    The only good thing they did was reduce the wasps nests, however now we have the European wasps that nest above ground they cannot even do that!

    I am afraid that in the end a cull is the only way forward for the benefit of all.

     

  • Thu, Jul 17 2008 9:14 In reply to

    • johno
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    Re: inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

    well said you two

    we have never seen a hedgehog either since the badger population exploded (if only it would!)

  • Thu, Jul 17 2008 9:36 In reply to

    Re: inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

    Our Badgers are fresh out of Hedgehogs too, Happily the animal rights people want to import them from the RSPB's Hedgehog cull in Uist

  • Thu, Jul 17 2008 9:42 In reply to

    • tarquin
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    Re: inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

    inoculation of badgers - i don't think it will ever happen

    it is a statement to give false hope in a (currently) hopeless situation

    i can not see vaccinated bate being left out in the countryside in the hope badgers might take the required dose, and the risk of cattle eating it will be to high

    to trap and vaccinate will make the tb situation worse as in the 10 year purtubation trial

  • Thu, Jul 17 2008 13:08 In reply to

    Re: inoculation of badgers, the end of ground nesting birds?

    I think we need a sensible dictator (well- we have a nutty one already). This is a small and highly managed island - there isn't much that is truly "wild" about it. It is an ecological fact that most life forms exist on a pyramidal basis - lots of microbes/plants etc at the bottom and a few end predators at the top. Man, badgers and birds of prey are currently examples of the end of chain predators - the latter two now being protected from the former as a "predator".

    If the top of the chain multiplies for some reason out of control, then the balance of the pyramid is distorted and the predator runs out of its natural food to the detriment of all.

    You wouldn't put 100 sheep willingly on one acre of grass, why is it thought acceptable to allow badgers to multiply at the expense of other wildlife. Someone needs to come up with a suitable figure of what is "sustainable" (dreadful word!) in terms of the badger population, irrespective of TB, and then manage the problem. When we didn't have such a high density of badgers, we didn't have TB running out of control. There are many other complex factors of course, but reducing the density does help "dilute" the problem - and helps the regeneration of other wildlife.

    If you broaden the argument a stage further - if you don't discourage that other end of chain mammal i.e.Man, from multiplying in this country - there won't be any land left for cows or badgers - so you will have solved the Bovine TB problem at a stroke. But boy will you have created a few more difficulties!!

    Keeping sheep from their lifetime ambition
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