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  • Thu, Apr 8 2010 11:36

    Issues for rural voters

    Politicians have been trying to woo rural voters for a while and now the election's been called the battle for the rural vote's going to kick-off in earnest.

    The debate around fox hunting's already been making waves in the national press, while bovine TB and badger culling is likely to be another issue that politicians focus on.

    But what are the rural issues and policies that are going to sway your vote on 6 May? Are things like rural broadband, national insurance, rural housing and crime going to factor in your decision?
    Midlands correspondent, Farmers Weekly
  • Thu, Apr 8 2010 12:31 In reply to

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    Re: Issues for rural voters

    Broadband is an issue for me but delivery here is a Scottish Government responsibility. The broadband tax is maybe OK but I am open to better suggestions as to how to do it. What I would like is a commitment to no more moves to online government eg the VAT thing until we all have good broadband. I want a guaranteed minimum speed first, no exceptions for remote rural like us. We pay we should get the same service. Rural housing is again a Scottish Government area so not up for discussion here. (Scotland election coverage not FWi) More rural cash would be nice but is not very likely. National Insurance is not a big worry to me after this winter tax is the least problem I face. Fuel cost here is savage £90 to put a little fuel in the Punto and two cans of quad petrol. It is too much to bear it is costing a fortune just to get round the sheep. If things do not improve they and the cattle will have to go.
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  • Thu, Apr 8 2010 13:36 In reply to

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    fuel tax is the biggest concern, everything else irrelevant.

    tax on red and white deisel is bleeding us to death.

    before labour, red was 12p/litre white was 50p/litre. red has quadrupled, and white has gone up 2.5 times.

    my national insurance bill for 3 men is £1,000/month. equal to another wage.

  • Thu, Apr 8 2010 22:27 In reply to

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     The issue which seems to be ignored by so many people whether politicians or country dwellers is the gradual drift of young people away from the countryside. Many who leave for work or college can never afford to get back and sometimes when they do try for local housing they are seen as 'incomers'. Many do want to come back but cant. This is not unique to the UK, much of rural America has the problem. It is easily recognised by looking at the demographics of our countryside but it is difficult to tackle. I have raised this with one candidate already but no responses as yet. If you have the time and energy I have written a mega blog on www.blackhilltales.blogspot. com    Click on http://tinyurl.com/yh4cr5l  

    This should take you there. You will also see I am concerned about giving tax breaks to village pubs and businesses, especially if they can be seen to be embedded in the community in some way. If nothing is done the desertification of rural England will see us ended up like parts of France, North Notfolk and the Lakes where some places just die until the tourists/holday lets start up again.

     

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  • Sun, Apr 11 2010 22:17 In reply to

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    To invest in our business agricultural building  relief helped farmers  expand their business but not any more – bring it back –. We have tax relief for Machinery why not buildings which benefit UK  to a greater degree.

     

    With fuel prices going up again it makes working grass parks away from home uneconomical therefore the only way to go is build , with land being so expensive  , and become more intensive .

     

    Surely one of the parties will see the logic !

     

    1)      It bring jobs to construction

    2)      Builds the farming infrastructure to produce more food which will be required by the end of the next parliament , without extra production food prices will become politically volatile as world population rises

    3)      Increases the efficiency of the farm , makes it more profitable and able to invest in the future to meet future demands

     

     

    I bet the revenue from   agricultural building relief is small compared with the windfall

     

  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 1:28 In reply to

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    Re: Issues for rural voters

         Fuel price is hugely important, every change here shows an immediate response in the accounts. The knock on effects are also very damaging. In farming we are very dependant on haulage, contractors, fertilisers and many other inputs that depend on the price of fuel. These costs all rise with fuel price increases. Our politicians can use fuel tax rises to control "fashionable" political issues such as; pollution control, supply preservation, people using "gas guzzlers" to go shopping, etc., when the underlying reason is quite simply a means of raising money and they ignore the fact that, for so many of us. fuel is an essential.

        The economy has to be put right fast otherwise we will all go down with the sinking ship. 

         Agriculture has to be "put on the map" again with regards to British enterprises. A new Government has to recognise this and create a Dept of Agriculture which will put farming well up the ladder and put a far bigger effort into business support (not necessarily financial) and a helluva lot less into unnecessary interference.

         A prosperous and vibrant agriculture will very quickly improve rural life by keeping our youth actively involved, creating employment and halting rural decline. A prosperous agriculture will give the best conditions for addressing the needs of conservation and country lifestyle. The country pub and village life is a social treasure and should be given every support possible. Agriculture and country businesses should be encouraged to prosper. They are all part of the parcel which encourages local trade and tourism, which in turn, brings vital money into the rural economy. 

        

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  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 9:09 In reply to

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    Double the council tax for second home owners in the South West.It is almost impossible for youngsters to get on the housing ladder down here. There are small towns and villages that are all but deserted during the winter months and the young are gradually drifting away in search of places where they can actually afford to live, and all we're left with is empty houses for most of the year.

    "Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals." (Sir Winston Churchill)
  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 10:17 In reply to

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    Re: Issues for rural voters

    AllyR:
    create a Dept of Agriculture

    Issues surrounding food, environment, tourism and rural population are huge and this is why the politicians tried to wrap up all the issues under a single ministry called Defra. However, I think AllyR goes to the heart of the matter with this proposal. The other issues are not as important as food, its production and distribution (ask any aid agency) and in these straitened times I think a political focus on 'essentials' is more important than these other issues.

    Political decisions are about choosing priorities and, whilst not totally excluding other issues, the next government should give priority to home grown produce wherever practical. Issues such as Badger TB, Raptor habitats. Many environment schemes, Countyside access should go down the list of priorities and the money spent on them should be spent instead on crop/food research production. 

  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 13:51 In reply to

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    cornish batard, yes, double tax for 2nd homes, and triple for 3rd, and so on.

    planning permission should be rquired to change a house from residential to holiday use.

    scotland is getting like cornwall, you cant buy a house.

  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 15:27 In reply to

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    To me the most important issues are international in nature - EU CAP reform, trade barriers and tarrifs, food milage, food vs fuel, water security in Africa, GM food.  I get very annoyed when people focus so heavily upon British agriculture. The age of the nation-state is over and the industry as a whole must embrace the new global marketplace. Food insecurity and unsustainability are potential causes of global catastrophe. To ignore issues like these in favour of frankly partisan and populist policies like fox-hunting strikes me as deeply irresponsible and smacks of an unwillingness to face up to the challenges that we face (no matter how much I disagree with the ban). I would like to see politicians abandon the pathetic protectionist mindset that has held sway for such a long time and to put forward some genuinely progressive proposals.

     

    G

  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 15:49 In reply to

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    I have just gone through the S LAB manifesto for the rural/farming stuff. To save anyone else the trouble it is best summed up as broadband and waffle. The promotion of rural broadband is an issue for me but the fact that that is all they have got speaks volumes. The rest is full of guff mainly with lots of reference's to "cheap" food whatever that is.
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  • Mon, Apr 12 2010 22:11 In reply to

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    Re: Issues for rural voters

    st_george:
    I get very annoyed when people focus so heavily upon British agriculture.

        St george, I agree with much of what you say, but not this bit. We can best turn our efforts to helping world issues by ensuring that our own contribution is properly managed. We must concentrate in building up the best agricultural industry we can. This will lead to healthy exports and imports so that we can play a positive and lasting part in the wider field of world food supplies etc.. Here in Angus alone we have some of the best agriculture in the world; the best of: beef, lamb, pork, venison, fish, seed and ware potatoes, soft fruits, vegetables, malting barley - for the finest whiskys, and so on. We are not alone, every part of Britain can or could put forward a similar list. This success has been achieved, or continued, mainly by the efforts of farmers and local businessmen, and, I am glad to say, by the present Scottish Government.

         It is important that the new Government in Westminster recognises and appreciates our farming industry for what it can achieve. The Government must pave the way ahead by creating the right conditions for our industry to prosper and cut out the hindrances of unnecessary political interference and side-tracked nonsenses mainly associated with appeasing an ill informed public and keeping civil servants at desks.

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  • Tue, Apr 13 2010 13:26 In reply to

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    Today brings the Scottish Tory manifesto. I thought Labour was bad but it at least had broadband. This has nothing, nothing at all, no commitment, no ideas, no future, just waffle. Is the English one any better? Slightly better than the Scottish Socialist Party though. It has no rural policy at all. Presumably socialism is confined to towns. UKIP is still the referendum party but not much more. Its ag policy is no subsidy commitment, but has a vague promise to warn us when the cuts will come, a kind word on labels but nothing else. Spending pledges litter every other area however, they make Labour seem parsimonious by comparison. No GM either but not too relevant, at present there are no UKIP candidates here. Someone may wander up from the south for a photo op but probably not. Not much to inspire in any of them.
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  • Tue, Apr 13 2010 16:20 In reply to

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    AllyR:

    st_george:
    I get very annoyed when people focus so heavily upon British agriculture.

        St george, I agree with much of what you say, but not this bit. We can best turn our efforts to helping world issues by ensuring that our own contribution is properly managed. We must concentrate in building up the best agricultural industry we can. This will lead to healthy exports and imports so that we can play a positive and lasting part in the wider field of world food supplies etc.. Here in Angus alone we have some of the best agriculture in the world; the best of: beef, lamb, pork, venison, fish, seed and ware potatoes, soft fruits, vegetables, malting barley - for the finest whiskys, and so on. We are not alone, every part of Britain can or could put forward a similar list. This success has been achieved, or continued, mainly by the efforts of farmers and local businessmen, and, I am glad to say, by the present Scottish Government.

         It is important that the new Government in Westminster recognises and appreciates our farming industry for what it can achieve. The Government must pave the way ahead by creating the right conditions for our industry to prosper and cut out the hindrances of unnecessary political interference and side-tracked nonsenses mainly associated with appeasing an ill informed public and keeping civil servants at desks.

    I think that perhaps I did not express myself quite as I would have intended in my original post, which will serve me right for trying to write while my boss is in the room.

    I certainly did not want to imply that British agriculture is unworthy in any way. I am aware that the UK has a long history of farming excellence and a great rural tradition. I agree that the UK industry must be as strong as possible, but I would add the thought that the best way to achieve this is to focus efforts on areas of agriculture where we can be sustainable and as subsidy-free as possible, as well as fit into a more planned global system of food production. If this means that a few traditional crops fall by the way-side because they can be more efficiently produced elsewhere, so be it.

    While agriculture is normally associated with a stick-in-the-mud conservatism (small "c") what is needed now is a radical rethink of the way the industry as a whole opperates. Central to this, as you say, is the need for which ever party is in power to have a solid respect for our industry's strengths and the creation of conditions in which the industry can flourish. For me, one of the key conditions that must be met in order to guarantee the long-term success of UK agriculture is to address the issue that you raise in your  line "appeasing an ill informed public" - I would like to see agriculture forming a part of the national curriculum, first to ensure that the ignorance to which you refer becomes a thing of the past, but also in order to encourage more young people into the world of agriculture in terms of their careers.

    How can the industry move forward when the average age of a farmer is 60? We need innovative, computer-literate, 21st century minds coming into the industry, not crumbling old boys who wouldn't know a computer if it dropped on them (sorry Dad!) When I left university two years ago, where I studied languages, and announced to my friends that I intended to look for work in agriculture they all looked at me as if I was a madman, or had declared my intention to hack my own legs off at the knee. THIS MUST CHANGE! There is huge potential for growth (geddit?) in the industry over the coming decades, but with that opportunity comes the inevitable risk that if we get it wrong, both as a nation and more importantly as a species, we could be up the proverbial creek without a paddle in quite a serious way.

     

    G

  • Tue, Apr 13 2010 16:24 In reply to

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    Yeesh. Perhaps that should have been more than one paragraph. My appologies.

    G

  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 7:52 In reply to

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        A  mighty paragraph, perhaps, but not a bad one George. I would just like to add that, of course, a huge number of our population are very well informed. Especially those living in smaller towns. Up here, in Scotland, I don't think it is such a problem as most Town and City dwellers are not too distant from the country and are often commuting through the farmed countryside.

        I remember being appalled when I heard on the radio of a teenager who had never seen a tree before!! ( I still can't believe that). A rather exceptional example, but it highlights the importance of getting our farming industry up the list of political priorities a bit.

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  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:41 In reply to

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    For a bit of fun can I recommend the Telegraph, How should I vote in the General Election 2010? It is an online calculator that gives you an idea of which party most suits your views. Mine was 58% SNP 26% Tory and 16% Lib Dem http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7541285/How-should-I-vote-in-the-General-Election-2010.html

     

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    He his-self:
    For a bit of fun can I recommend the Telegraph, How should I vote in the General Election 2010?

    As you say, Hhs, a bit of fun.  Mine came out Con 62%, Lib Dem 61% and UKIP 49%  - not that I woiulde actually consider voting for UKIP really, but then I wouldn't consider voting for any of the other options either!  I found it surprisingly hard to answer the questions as my natural response to a large percentage of them was  'Well it depends.'
  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:46 In reply to

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    Hear, Hear. I too find the story about the kid who had not seen a tree a little improbable, but it is certainly a worrying story to be out there. I have first hand experience of kids who had no idea that milk came from cows, and of adults to whom the fact that sugar is grown in the UK came as a shock.

     

    I have just seen the FWi report on the LibDem manifesto, and I must say that, as I suspected, they are the ones who tick all the boxes for me. The Telegraph confirms this with their calculator thingy (although I agree that my response to most questions would have been "elaborate, please" if there had been such an option).

     

    G

  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:48 In reply to

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    Also, is anyone else finding the "Wordles" at the bottom of the FWi manifesto reports endlessly interesting?

     

    G

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       I gave it a quick run and came out: Conservative 60, UKIP 49, SNP 34, Liberal 23. 'Not exactly what I thought but there we are.

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  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 13:40 In reply to

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    I think these "who should I vote for" machines are to be taken with a pinch of salt. There was one around at the last election, where they placed you on a two way axis. The x-axis was the continuum of left to right, while the y-axis was the liberal-totalitarian scale. One answered the questions and they placed one on the axis, along with some famous politicians from history. I came out somewere between the Dali Lama and Gandhi. Perhaps I should head east....

     

    G

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         I have a plan. (Oh, no! I hear you all say).

        Why don't you all list some of the good, (or not so good) farming and rural practices that go on in your area, or an area of your choice, as I have done in an earlier post. Then you can add, if you wish, ways in which The Government or Government policy may help - (or stop hindering), be it at a local level; a National level or an International level?

       

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    st_george:
    Also, is anyone else finding the "Wordles" at the bottom of the FWi manifesto reports endlessly interesting?
     

    I'm so glad you've said that, George Big Smile I think they're fascinating but wondered if I was the only person who'd think that! I've done a bit of a comparison of them on my blog http://www.fwi.co.uk/community/blogs/nufsaid/archive/2010/04/13/how-to-meet-farming-s-needs.aspx I need to ad the Lib Dem one to it now it's come out.

    Having read all of the manifestos, I think the wordles really convey the tone of the green sections. I ran them for the whole documents and found the same thing with those word clouds too. Very interesting, even if it makes me a geek Geeked

    Midlands correspondent, Farmers Weekly
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    I like the way that you have aggregated the four wordles currently in existence - I think it is a really powerful way of comparing/contrasting the various manifestos (manifesti?). The LibDem one is a bit strange... it seems that no single word has a significant lead over any other words, a more balanced document perhaps?

    Does it make you a geek?

    G

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