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Last post Wed, Jun 20 2012 21:29 by old mcdonald. 15 replies.
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  • Wed, Jun 6 2012 13:45

    'Speed' Shearing

    Our usual shearer let us down this year so we hired a couple of 'Award winning' shearers. We have a closed flock of pedigree Southdowns plus some Welsh Badger Faced.

    They were obviously not happy shearing the Southdowns and the result was; three sheared tags, one breeding ewe dead from a heart attack and a sherling ram with a badly cut pizzle. I appreciate the dead ewe could have happened to anyone but there seemed to be a lot of care sacrficed to speed of shearing. What does everone else think? 

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  • Wed, Jun 6 2012 20:57 In reply to

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    Re: 'Speed' Shearing

     No excuses for bad shearing. Cutting a pizzle will not happen if the shearer keeps his fingers on the pizzle whilst removing the belly wool, and similarly on the teats of ewes and ewe lambs  - and I have yet to hear of a shearer cutting a finger off. You will, of course, tell everyone you know who they are. Publishing names on here is a mite risky.

  • Wed, Jun 6 2012 22:03 In reply to

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     I agree with old mac. That type of thing is inexcusable.Far too much emphasis on speed these days I'm afraid. Nothing wrong with doing 3 to 400 a day providing you can do a tidy job. A lot of youngsters try to keep up with more experienced men before they have learnt the art properly.

    Were they locals or kiwi's ?

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  • Wed, Jun 6 2012 23:14 In reply to

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    Agree with all of you. I shear only with the electric clippers now which are too bulky for speed and, of course age is against any speed from me. However when dagging or the odd shearing, I always put my fingers around sensitive parts of the animal and boy, do I take care not to trim my fingers.

    No excuse unless you have told the shearer all the animals are ewes or tegs and he doesn't know you have put a couple of wethers in the pen. In which case it is your fault not his.

     

  • Fri, Jun 8 2012 23:25 In reply to

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     This is what you call speed shearing...

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr7AUvMCqjc

    I wish I could do that !

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  • Mon, Jun 11 2012 21:41 In reply to

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    Re: 'Speed' Shearing

    But it is not good shearing. Have a close look at the "Winner Replay" towards the end of the clip. He takes two long blows up the back, breaking them out and ending up with a spoiled fleece. And of course they are just dinky little lambs.

  • Mon, Jun 11 2012 22:42 In reply to

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    old mcdonald:
    But it is not good shearing

    True, but I've seen the likes of Dion King and David Fagan shearing at the Royal Welsh and boy can they turn out a pen of tidy sheep in no time i.e. 20 Welsh ewes in about 15 mins. Unbelievable

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  • Mon, Jun 11 2012 23:38 In reply to

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    old mcdonald:

    But it is not good shearing. Have a close look at the "Winner Replay" towards the end of the clip. He takes two long blows up the back, breaking them out and ending up with a spoiled fleece. And of course they are just dinky little lambs.

    True Old Mac it's not good, it's awesome shearing. They are shearing lambs, and lamb wool doesn't come off in a fleece. It's just like feathers. I've been shearing lambs today but not quite that quick  Sad

  • Thu, Jun 14 2012 22:48 In reply to

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    Re: 'Speed' Shearing

    davysboy, It is not awesome, it is awful. A lambs fleece can come off in a fleece if properly shorn, and if they are my lambs, I want them as whole fleeces. Pieces are worth pennies, fleeces are worth pounds. Maybe not at present in the UK, but my Merino lambs fleeces in Australia were a very valuable addition to my wool income. Anybody who could not remove a fleece properly would not be welcome in my woolshed.

     I never professed to be particularly fast, but I was careful.

  • Thu, Jun 14 2012 22:54 In reply to

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    old mcdonald:
    A lambs fleece can come off in a fleece if properly shorn
     

    We used to shear all our welsh ewe lambs and I've never seen it come off in a fleece, no matter how slow and careful you are. As for value, welsh wool still doesn't leave a profit if you pay the shearer's to remove it.

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  • Fri, Jun 15 2012 0:33 In reply to

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    I'm sorry to say Old Mcdonald but I, like WnW have shorn thousands of lambs and have never ever had one come off in a fleece. The wool is short compared to ewes' wool which has had twelve months to grow and knit together. It just comes off like feathers and is packed into the sheets and graded as "lamb wool" of various qualities.

    I still stand by my comment. It is truly awesome shearing. Ask anyone who shears professionally and they'll agree.

  • Fri, Jun 15 2012 7:41 In reply to

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    Had a thought last night after my last post. I'll ask my nephew today about the merinos. He's been going to NZ and Oz for a few years now to shear and he's done plenty of them. I don't think they use merinos for these competitions and these lambs are obviously not merinos.  I don't know why they'd shear merinos as lambs as they are mainly kept for wool production so you'd be after a long staple as yearlings? Don't know so I'll ask today.
  • Fri, Jun 15 2012 7:58 In reply to

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    Did the speed shearing go ahead at the grassland event ? I'm guessing there were no dry sheep unless they had been in for a few days ?

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  • Mon, Jun 18 2012 18:54 In reply to

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    welshnwilling:

    Did the speed shearing go ahead at the grassland event ? I'm guessing there were no dry sheep unless they had been in for a few days ?

    Yes it did but I was coming from there when they were starting so I didn't see any of it.

    I've asked my nephew about the merinos and also got hold of my cousin near Hawick who has won many sashes in NZ and Oz competitions. He now comentates at shearing matches all over the uk and Ireland including the Royal Welsh and world championships and has been invited to NZ for next year to comentate a few competitions. They never shore merino lambs in speed competitions and never shore merino lambs comercially. Neither of them remember wool coming off a lamb in a fleece. I've got two Kiwis coming here to shear lambs for practice the week before the Royal Welsh so I'll ask them too.

     BUT I have found this on youtube   -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_UxpQ8GQk

  • Mon, Jun 18 2012 23:15 In reply to

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    Re: 'Speed' Shearing

    davysboy, Thanks for the link, he almost, but not quite kept the fleece intact. If he had slowed down a wee bit it would have been a whole fleece. He did shear it with the aim of keeping the fleece whole though. Belly off, then the fleece, including taking off the topknot at the correct time, just lost a wee bit on the shoulder. I have a few notes from when I obtained my Australian Wool Board Classer's Certificate that include info on shearing lambs and classing the fleeces. I will dig them out and prepare a (vey) short post on what is involved. 

  • Wed, Jun 20 2012 21:29 In reply to

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    Re: 'Speed' Shearing

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    Speed shearing might have had its origins way back in the blade days. The following traditional Australian song (unknown writer) and dating from at least the late 1800s sums it up quite well. The words have been slightly altered from time to time by various people who have recorded it. There are 6 verses in all, but I have given only the first and the chorus. I can post the rest if anybody wants them. The ringer is the fastest shearer on the boards. Quality is always of the utmost importance and one of the verses describes the boss sitting in the shed and watching to make sure the sheep are shorn clean.

    I assume everyone is aware that all Australian sheep properties have a purpose built woolshed and that the wool is classed in the shed and baled there. There are State and Federal laws applying to many aspects of shearing and the “award” conditions under which shearers are employed.

    Out on the board the old shearer stands,
    Grasping his shears in his thin bony hands
    Fixed is his gaze on a bare-bellied yoe,
    Glory if he gets her, won't he make the ringer go.

    Chorus

    Click go the shears boys, click, click, click,
    Wide is his blow and his hands move quick,
    The ringer looks around and is beaten by a blow,
    And curses the old swaggie with the bare-bellied yoe.

    As for current merino lamb shearing in Australia, lambs on the ground are shorn at the once a year shearing so as to bring them in line with all other sheep in the flock. Overgrown wool – that is a fleece with more than 12 months growth is classified as a fault, and bales have to be branded OG, so lambs are not left until they are, say 15 months old or more, as would happen with summer shearing in Britain.

    Not all sheep stations carry breeders, some running only wethers, but the biggest have large ewe flocks. The ewes and lambs (drafted prior to shearing) are usually shorn last, but if cheesy gland is a problem on the property they might be shorn first. As most will already know, a lamb’s fleece does not have the same binding fibres as an adult’s so great care is needed in picking up the fleece. With adults the fleece is picked up and thrown onto the wool rolling table (a slatted table about 10 x 5 feet, or they can be round) and is rather like throwing a table cloth onto a table. The fleece is skirted and rolled for the classer to inspect. With lambs great care is needed, and a wool table will normally be covered to receive the fleeces. A pair of dressed 6” wooden boards, about 2 feet long and often hinged at one end, are used to gather together the shorn fleece, and it is gently dropped onto the covered table. Skirting would be of a very minimum, removing only the shortest wool from the points and belly. At most three lines would be baled up. AAALMS being the best and longest fleeces, AALMS slightly shorter from the later born lambs if there are sufficient to make a line, and ALMS being the broken fleeces and pieces. I needed to check my notes because I could not remember when WNS needs to be branded on the bales instead of LMS. It is after the lambs have reached about 6 months of age.

     

     

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