Just heard on Radio four that Tesco think the costs of administering and  'measuring' the carbon footprint in products is too expensive. A Coop representative who didn't go along with the idea in the first place said they also thought the idea of such measurement was too expensive.

Most folks on this site said right from the beginning that the folks who wanted to 'value' and 'price' everything in carbon were being rather silly in forgetting the role that money plays in allocating 'scarce' resources.

 

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We supply lambs to Dunbia. They have sent out a man annually for the past 3 yrs to complete a 'carbon footprint' survey on our farm. I'm sure if the truth be told, they are far more interested in our production costs than our carbon footprint. By finding out fertilizer, feed and fuel usage etc etc and number of lambs and cattle sold they will have a pretty good idea of our costs. This carbon business is a load of nonsense isn't it ?

welshnwilling:

I'm sure if the truth be told, they are far more interested in our production costs than our carbon footprint. By finding out fertilizer, feed and fuel usage etc etc and number of lambs and cattle sold they will have a pretty good idea of our costs

Well spotted wnw. You have it in a nutshell !

I do believe however that they started out, like many others, by being fooled by the notion that the pricing mechanism did not take full account of the 'costs' to the planet of resource extraction.

In economic terms there is a germ of truth in the idea that price does not give the buyer ALL the information about scarcity, but it is a germ only, and to go from that to the assumption that you could develop a totally different method of pricing was silly.

Tesco have now acknowledged that.  

welshnwilling:

We supply lambs to Dunbia. They have sent out a man annually for the past 3 yrs to complete a 'carbon footprint' survey on our farm. I'm sure if the truth be told, they are far more interested in our production costs than our carbon footprint. By finding out fertilizer, feed and fuel usage etc etc and number of lambs and cattle sold they will have a pretty good idea of our costs. This carbon business is a load of nonsense isn't it ?

How right you are Welshnwilling ,it is all a load of nonsense masquerading as something useful for humanity. These green fanatics seem to have forgotten that CO2 is the means by which plants create growth thereby helping us all. Talking of this Carbon issue, how many have had a firm of fraudsters phoning from Switzerland offering to guide you through the Carbon trading maze and  make you very rich if you follow their advice!! (Just another Boiler Room Scam of course)

Dick

welshnwilling:

Dunbia ... have sent out a man annually for the past 3 yrs to complete a 'carbon footprint' survey on our farm

Dunbia could make most of Wales' contribution to reducing emissions by turning off their **** lights at night that can be seen 10 miles away the other side of the Teifi 

 

welshnwilling:

We supply lambs to Dunbia. They have sent out a man annually for the past 3 yrs to complete a 'carbon footprint' survey on our farm. I'm sure if the truth be told, they are far more interested in our production costs than our carbon footprint. By finding out fertilizer, feed and fuel usage etc etc and number of lambs and cattle sold they will have a pretty good idea of our costs. This carbon business is a load of nonsense isn't it ?

As soon as anyone starts going on about emisions from farm animals I get hacked of I cant see that there is any problem and if there is well bugger it anyway we do need food. We dont need to jet of round the world. Half the the things we use fuel and power for we dont need. And then you get stupid buggers going on about cows farting Well sod them I say best thing thay can do to help is stop eating

henarar:

As soon as anyone starts going on about emisions from farm animals I get hacked of I cant see that there is any problem and if there is well bugger it anyway we do need food. We dont need to jet of round the world. Half the the things we use fuel and power for we dont need. And then you get stupid buggers going on about cows farting

The man who has time to count the gas emissions from live stock has too much time on his hands and too much youth in his head.