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About time road rules were updated?

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    oliver.mark
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     Speed limits set at 20mph for rigid axle tractors and gross weight limits of 24t seem archaic.

     How many tractor drivers do you think break the law on a regular basis?And are British police too soft on it?

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    farmerdavidfarmerdavid
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     for the sake of legality i have a “friend” who has 50k tractors and drives them at such and tugs an 18 ton grain trailer behind grossing in at about 32 ton. everybody speeds and everybody runs overweight. i think the police are too soft on it whats the point in having law if its not upheld??? but also i dont think we should be prosecuted for it because with rising diesel prices etc its not econimical to do 2 loads with a small trailer instead of 1 big load. so yes it does need updating, most tractors have airbrakes now and can stop faster than a car at 30 mph. possibly a cause for either the nfu or fw to take up????

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    welshnwillingwelshnwilling
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    farmerdavid

    so yes it does need updating, most tractors have airbrakes now and can stop faster than a car at 30 mph. possibly a cause for either the nfu or fw to take up????

    I’m a firm believer in letting sleeping dogs lay. We do a fair bit of road work, hauling livestock and silage between farms. The local police don’t take much notice and that’s fine by me.

    If the law is updated you can bet your bottom dollar that it’ll involve a special driving license, HGV spec brakes and lighting, tacho’s and possibly even using derv instead of red. I think the longer we can avoid this the better. The way forward is for farmers to act responsibly by having adequate braking, lights that work and drivers that can handle the task.

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    bovrilbovril
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    Absolutely agree with WnW. I have one 40k tractor, the others only do 20mph flat out, and most of the time the road conditions aren’t good enough to travel at top speed, even with just the tractor. Even the Fastracs round here rarely go that quickly. As for weight, with 14 tons of grain I gross about 22 tons. The price of fuel arguement doesn’t wash with me when I see grain trailers being dragged by fully ballasted 300hp tractors weighing in at half of our legal limit before they put a trailer behind it!
    If new rules are brought in, they need to be strictly two tier, and stay that way. I’ll bet there are an awful lot more of us that are largely within the law on weights and speeds than there are heros claiming to need to pull half the farm up the road at light speed!

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    fast1racfast1rac
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    Did the NFU not want GVW limit for tractors put up to 31t  plus the max speed ? 

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    oliver.mark
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     I think the NFU and AEA are looking into changing things.

     The best bet would probably be two-tier… An MOT style test for the trailer’s brakes for those that want to travel faster. BAGMA reckon even trailers with air brakes fail to meet the British Standard 85% of the time.

     Maybe we need some German police, i’m sure they’d be a bit quicker to clamp down on it

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    stephen northhenarar
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    welshnwilling

    I’m a firm believer in letting sleeping dogs lay

    well said

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    sharpin
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    Im sure they will get round to it at some point but i wish they wouldnt it will just be another cost and will be another chip in the small farmer with the old kitt. When i was younger i was put on trailer dutys with a trailer with no brakes i even had a time using a small tractor which would be pushed across the beet pad when tipping. It wasnt the way foward after now upgrading my grain, dump, flatbed,car,lowloader and lorry trailers since i left colege at least im ready but i bet they would still fail. Plus it doesent stop my brother backing into mercs….

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    welshnwillingwelshnwilling
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    I stand by what I said above, but if you insist on new rules and regulations then IMHO the first thing that needs looking at is 4×4’s towing 3.5 ton trailers with inadequate braking systems. I wouldn’t object too much to these trailers being subject to annual MOT testing. I’m sure far more accidents are caused by 4×4 + trailer combinations travelling at 50 mph, than there are by tractors doing 50 kmh with trailers that have air brakes and commercial axles, even if they are breaking the law by doing more than 20 mph and overweight.

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    glasshouseglasshouse
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    every time the nfu try and improve something, they usually make it worse, better leave it alone.

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    robexelrobexel
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     ^^^ Amen, Glasshouse! [;)]

     I’d also like to see a two tier system, for instance the current rules with maybe a slightly lower weight limit (18 tonnes?) for farmers going about their daily business, and more of a HGV style system for the contractors tearing around on monster machines.

    And perhaps they could also look at the possibility of allowing specially registered trucks to use red diesel, they are very popular on the continent.

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    welshnwillingwelshnwilling
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    robexel

    And perhaps they could also look at the possibility of allowing specially registered trucks to use red diesel, they are very popular on the continent.

     Now that sounds like a good idea ! In fact I agree with your whole post. Don’t think we’ll get away with the trucks though.

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    rodtheblue
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    I agree with glasshouse, we do need to update the laws on the road , I also wouldn’t be against some sort of MOT but keep the weak NFU out of it they will make things worse with their mealy mouthed cowtowing to the goverment.

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    stephen northhenarar
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    robexel

    look at the possibility of allowing specially registered trucks to use red diesel

    You can do that now

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    Stuart MeikleStuart Meikle
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    Just imagine what it is like when you have two farms 20 miles apart and the police come along and put up a ‘no tractors’ sign on the only road between the two!

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