future eu direct payments
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Sunday 29 January 2012 at 00:03
the arable farmerMemberTopics: 2
EU agriculture commissioner dacian ciolos is looking to equalize payments across the eu. how can he do this when western europe is a higher cost of production ie labour, fertilizer,chemicals which are all typically 30 % cheaper, land is only a fraction of british land cost and have a lower cost of living in romania.farm workers in his home country earn on 80 euro per week .eastern block countries in the eu will have a fierce competitive advantage in future compaired to us . the question is are we to accept lower eu payments which also put us at a competive disadvantage when grain prices drop again.0#1019627
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 06:28
TAF, I am afraid that a few of your assumptions are rather poorly grounded. I would suggest that we need to have a detailed appraisal of all the factors that impact upon the economics of farming, arable or otherwise in each country. The UK has a vast array of comparative advantages over Romania. Romania should be an agriarian food producing nation but it is importing vast amounts of its food. Why because the vast majority of its farming operations cannot compete with any other in the EU. Having said that, I do not agree that just ‘levelling up’ payments is the way forwards. Romania needs finance in other forms to direct payments. Also please note that at present Romania is working towards recieving 100% of the ‘average’ EU cereals payment by 2016. The payment was, however, based upon a wheat price x local yield. At the time of setting the payments, the local yields were only about 40% of the EU average so the payment will only ever reach 40% of the average. This is where the ‘imbalance’ came from. Anyway, even with the talk of levelling up, Romania might get to 200/ha by 2020!0
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 10:12
stuart, its quite obvious that payments per acre are inappropriate for places like romania, where they wont bother growing anything, just pocket the cash.
its the same in the north and west of scotland, large landowners will pocket the area payment and leave the land derelict.
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 14:46
Glasshouse, I will say that I do not believe that area payments are the answer for Romania. The powers that be need to go back a lot further in time and look at the simple post-war grant schemes. Romanian farmers need easy-to-access (ie. non bureaucratic) capital grants to rebuild their basic farming infrastructure (buildings, animals, machinery). Area payments provide a cash flow over time but the banks will not capitalise this into a loan so something else is required. There was of course a pre-EU accession grant system and a post-accession one but they made such a Horlicks of the whole thing that it was near inaccessible for the normal farmer that it was actually meant to be for. I would prefer them to fund a sensible grant scheme to do the re-building job and not to get the farmers fixated with area payments that they may then have to be weaned off.
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 15:01
the arable farmer
labour, fertilizer,chemicals which are all typically 30 % cheaper, land is only a fraction of british land cost and have a lower cost of living in romania
Perhaps if that is your view, you ought be selling expensive UK land; using the weakness of the Euro; and buying some land in the former eastern Bloc. I would say we were at some degree of advantage not having (in general in the grain regions) -20 degree winters; some of the best wheat growing conditions in the world; a lack of corruption; and not having to use some of the transport infrastructure of the wild east (unless it has markedly improved since I lived there).
I’d take a lower payment if it were centrally administered (not by the RPA); had no stupid supplimentary schemes to distort 2ac olive groves and a goat; couldnt be gold-plated / tweeked by national governments; and we were all subjected to the same welfare standards again without national meddling.
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 15:41
perhaps hungary is the place to buy, i gather the currency is very low
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 16:52
Try Transylvania, the best kept secret out this way!
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 19:00
all subjected to the same welfare standards
That would be good to see but I dont think holding your breath would be a good idea
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 19:59
Tesla, You have travelled, therefore you must know that people live off a 2 acre olive grove and a goat – well, a few goats. This is real-life permaculture, cropping under the trees, often two crops a year. Keep these people there with a wee bit of subsidy to buy “extras”. It is a lot cheaper than providing them with a **** in town and benefits. The amount they receive is miniscule, but often enough to save a great deal of taxpayers’ money – including yours, Britain being a net contributor to the EU budget.
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 21:15
i second that old mac.
with the announcement today that the new forth bridge is to be built with chinese and european steel , i cant help thinking that the money spent on unemployment in glasgow would have been better spent on keeping ravenscraig open , then we could have made the steel here.
Sunday 29 January 2012 at 21:16
stuart, is that where they farm vampires?
Monday 30 January 2012 at 06:13
Glasshouse, problem is for vampire farming you need a supply of blood. As the people have all left to sell the Big Issue, we have nothing left to feed them on!
Monday 30 January 2012 at 08:15
what is the script in transylvania?
Monday 30 January 2012 at 09:34
Gasshouse, are you asking for something deep and meaningful or just to know that we use the Latin alphabet?
Monday 30 January 2012 at 09:57
bit of info please on the land?
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