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    #987906

    jock66

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    hi, bit late in replyin but i also do silage an straw contract baling. we used to run 2 nh 644s they were good in their day but then nh cheaped out with the br740. we bought a welger rp 420 new for last season. apart from a few niggles with the net in sticky conditions and with cheap net we are very happy with the baler, we have 18k bales through it now with just a bearing replaced an a few minnor tweaks after the 1st season. it makes a v gd bale, 750-1000kgs have been weighed in dry-wet crops of grass and 350kgs in wheat straw (5fters) We bought a claas linner rake this year an now put 30ft into the baler, only time we pick up 10ft bouts is wen we are chopping bales as the baler kills the mx135 that pulls it. 

    #987908

    jock66

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    I gained  alot of work last year from a fellow contractor who bought a 740, it was broken down alot in its 1st season. When we were baling side by side he couldnt keep up on 15ft bouts of barley straw, i could easily get 2-4mph faster downhill. he had an extra 30hp so it was more even uphill! the nh leaves tidier net thou. Theres a totally diff build quality about the welger though its 3/4 of a tonne heavier. do you bale much silage? how old is a d6000?

    #969335

    jock66

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    Thanxs, it was a car/truck/agri specialist the dealer sent out after their greese monkey didnt find any faults. He did as you say but its made no diff. Its a pathetically small air filter that i dont think did it any favours in the 1st place and jcb more or less admitted that but they didnt offer a solution other than buying a 536-60 where the intake has moved up to the back of the cab.

    #969435

    jock66

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    For me if the jd 3350 is already a classic then my next pick would be the case mx 135, it may be bouncy on the road and noisey in the cab  but in the field it pulls like a train, has good grip and that instant power kick when you put your foot down  that you just dont seam to get with new electric (fly by wire) type throttles. Also the jd 6000range they share asspects of the mx prob actually better, power, quiet cabs,better shuttle, more compact, the mx has it on the bark though!

    #969391

    jock66

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    How does torque lock compare with the direct drive top gear on the 5speed 535-60 grearbox? or is it the same thing? i think its over rated for towing on the 535 super, theres still too much power loss to make it good while towing even an empty trailer uphill. Why cant they put something that resembles a tractor powershift box in a telehandler? The new claas looks intersting with its cvt box but the price isnt!

    #969338

    jock66

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    I cut around 300 acre of my own silage, 2 main cuts but some heavy single cuts mid summer plus 800acre of contract work that varies from light organic crops and 2nd cuts to heavy 1st cuts and people who only take 1 cut, some steepish fields to. I have a 4032kv just now and I dont think customers would want the bouts to be any less than 3m for baling, otherwise 2 smaller mounted mowers would be an option. I had wondered if using a front mower on its own would be any advantage as I could cut heavy crops from 1 side of the field like a centre pivot without the hassle of shifting the mower every headland, then when cuting lighter crops I could take both mowers and make max use off time and tractor. I know of a jd 6920s that runs 2 3m kv but iv never seen it working. just out off interest would a mounted rear mower perform as well at high forward speeds as a trailed? I saw a prototype vicon 3m trailed mower this summer, It looked v impressive, built to last.


    Do you mean they run at that speed at lower rev's? I dont mind the speed so much aslong as its reflected in the price!

    #987910

    jock66

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    I cant think of the number o 5ft bales we have done per hour, its normally my brother that on it, i did get a shot last year and on a 13ft bout was able to knock out a solid 5ft bale in 34seconds! That was getting up to 17mph on a 6620 jd(downhill, 14 was all it would do up gentle slopes). we do about 6k silage and iv heard him sayin hes doin 90 an hour when its raked. rather depressing when im stuck on the wrapper! I do miss the nh bale command on the welger when baling light swaths. Just asked him bout his good goes an he says 80 5ft wheat bales an hour, that was straw we bought so the pressure was up full. and it was a good crop with 20ft swaths. The mouth of the welger is bigger than other balers iv seen, the mchale fixed chamber might be similar or bigger but i havent seen up close.

    #970111

    jock66

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    Did u venture down the balers choice road? whats your opinion?

    #987912

    jock66

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    ha ha, aye that was just me pushing the baler to see what it would do! normally get up to 11mph before i run out of powershifts to. The dealer told us when we bought the baler they had a 520 demo out working on a 180hp fendt and it was getting up to 20mph on a 20ft swath. I dont think it can have been much of a crop! Ours doesnt pick up clean enough over 10-12mph. I guess a cvt box would b good for baling though.

    #969356

    jock66

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    My understanding is that you can expect 10% less at pto than spec says when you dyno. In your case you could expect as low as 140hp. I would make alot of fuss with the dealer to get something done about it. I had a similar problem with a jd It was just out of warranty before I got a chance to dyno it. Needless to say the dealer we bought from wasnt helpful and werent happy id let a Case dealer dyno a jd. My jd dealer tried to tell me the Case mechanic could make the jd look bad on the dyno, they wanted me to road the tractor 160mile round trip to get it checked at their main depot. I didnt get round to doing it, thats a couple years ago so im stuck with a gutless tractor! 


    Another factor is the way the manufacturer tests the tractor in the first place, im told jd are tested at shaft so should be what they say on the tin but fendt test the engine on the bench so you can expect lower results on dyno. dont know how true this is?  

    #987914

    jock66

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    Everything seems to be going self propelled these days but i dont supose that would be much advantage with a baler, did you see the guy who made his own non stop concept? He used old claas balers I think, he had a wee square pickup offset and a holding area when the bale was netting and emptying. It looked slow but steady! Iv often thought if i was designing a non stop baler i would have 2 chambers side by side with some form off auto change of the feed in to the empty chamber when the net kicks in. It would b too wide for uk roads thou. Dont know how else it could be done. What a difference the feed rotar has made on newer balers.


    Personally Id rather find a solution to farmers who think its ok to make you wrap an stack bales in rough wet holes and think 250 bales is a good days work!

    #969340

    jock66

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    Sorry i meant the 50k tractor, does it run at lower revs when its at 50k?


    Its more the time factor thats pushing me to go for higher output. I work the wraper to for 7500bales also have cows and sheep to look after to so the less time i can spend per acre the better, the other problem is cutting infront of a sp forager, the job consists of 2 goes over 100acres but all the fields are under 8acres and none are square! I was kean on a centre pivot when we changed before this season but I couldnt get a demo and I was lead to believe that they take so long to shift from side to side they arent worth the extra cash. Have you seen one working?


    The 6920s is ment to be ok on flat ground but struggles uphill, I thought the boost on the cnh tractor would bring it to 168hp, 8hp more than the jd?


    I had a shot of an mx 110 this year after a break down, I had it mowing a heavy flat crop 1day it was hardly fit to keep going at 3mph, i dont know if the particular tractor was gutless or if the crop was that much heavier than anything id cut with our 6620or mx135 before. I suppose it would be jobs like that where id have to use just 1 mower.  I wonder how it works out between cutting double the width at half the speed but being able to cut from 1 side, or just going as hard as you can sit in the seat with 1 mower! The lifespan of the mowers are bound to be greatly extended!


    What outfit do you run yourself?

    #969266

    jock66

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    I think ur JF900 would a better machine, we looked at buying a MF chopper that was the same as a mex IV but our dealer told us it wouldnt stand up to more than 100hp, advised us to wait for a mex VI or kv 10X.  I carted off from a JF900 this summer for a day, i was impressed with the chop length, much the same as self propelled but couldnt get over how slow compared to the big choppers! We had been planning going away from a contractor with claas860 and full kit to do all our selves but instead we compromised, cart in of the self prop using our tractors and their trailers, we rake and they do the buckraking, we pack with a 2nd tractor, for us this makes best use of time and resoures whilst getting the job done quick. Id still like the choice with our own chopper of being able go in perfect conditions rather than wait for the contractor if hes busy. 


    The JF900 was on a 140hp ford, seemed plenty! The driver said 40acres is a good day, the small MF chopper we looked at was ment to be limited to just 25acre a day, also if I mind right thats a chopper that is most suited to in line filling of the wagon, slowing you down even more! It was maybe 3-4years since we looked at the MF, it was at a farm sale in good condition I think it made just 800.

    #969268

    jock66

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    Aye they didnt plan for mechanical progression when they built most roads and lanes!  I can mind 10 years ago our contractor using a mex VI on a 6900 jd, it seemed to work well,he pushed it very hard and was clearing 45acre of 1st cut in 10hours.  The last day he was at ours with it before he went self prop he cork screwed and sheared the main drive shaft. Have you looked into the viability of a forage wagon? I dont think you would have problems handling small stones with them. I wonder when I see the number of stones that are left in a feed ring once the cows have eaten the bale, made from raked grass, how the forager can cope with the stones. Our land is bad for small flat stones that you wouldnt think of lifting when rolling but they always seem to get pulled up with the rake until the grass is a couple yreas old and has a good soul to hold the stones down.

    #969264

    jock66

    Member

    10-20% depending on who you are!

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